In this post, i have tried to compile all the dialogues of Osho on Ramakrishna Paramahamsa throughout his discourses and corresponding books. Enjoy if you are a Ramakrishna fan and also if you are not. 🙂
Theologoca Mystica, #Chapter8:
* Osho on Ramakrishna Paramahamsa’s conversation with an egoistic mahatama*
A great mahatma – great because he used to walk on water – came to see Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. Ramakrishna used to live in Dakshineshwar near Calcutta(Now Kolkata), on the banks of Ganges.
He was sitting under a Banyan tree looking at the beautiful Ganges flowing by, and the mahatma came. And, of course, such people are on great ego trips. Because he could walk on water, of course he was great. His every vibe was saying “holier than thou”.
He stood in front of Ramakrishna and said, “I have heard that people think you are a great mystic – but can you walk on water?”
Ramakrishna said, “No, i can not walk on water. In fact, i can not even swim! Can you?”
Beyond Psychology #Chapter 35
* Osho on Ramakrishna Paramahamsa’s debate with Keshav Chandra*
Below mention of Osho on Ramakrishna Paramhamsa is on account when someone from the audience asked a question “what is madman” and while answering this, Osho reached here:
In the East, where mind has been the sole center of all reaseach down the centuries, we have discovered that you can go above mind.
Sufism accepts that state and calls it the state of a masta – a divine madman. He is mad, but he is superhumanly mad. His behavior is irrational as far as our logic is concerned. But perhaps, there is higher logic, according to which his behavior is not irrational.
In India, such a man is called Paramahamsa.Ramakrishna, in the nineteenth century, was one of the men who was called Paramahamsa. The behavior of a Paramahamsa is utterly mad, but intensely beautiful and has a depth which even the greatest genius of the mind does not have.
It happened, that in Ramakrishna’s time:
He lived just outside Calcuta, on the bank of the Ganges in a small temple. Now many temples has arisen in Calcutta. At that time, Calcutta was the capital of India, not New Delhi, so the cream of intellectuals, creative people, was in Calcutta. And anyway, Bengalis are the most intelligent people in India, the most intellectual.
Keshav Chandra Sen was a great genius as far as intellect is concerned, and he was a co-founder of a religion, Brahmasamaj – the society of the divine. He was known all over India.
Ramakrishna was not known, except to a few people in Calcutta on the riverbank where he lived.
He was uneducated, and people – the people of the mind – thought he was mad because his behavior was not explainable by mental concepts.But slowly, slowly his influence was increasing, particularly in Calcutta – which was very close; people could come to see him.
Keshav Chandra Sen was worried that a villager, uneducated and even professors of the universities were becoming devotees; they would touch his feet. And whatever he was saying was so ordinary. The man had nothing exceptional. One day finally he decided to go and argue with this man and finish this whole thing.
He went. Hundreds of people who knew Keshav Chandra and a few who knew Ramakrishna all gathered to see what would transpire. Ramakrishna’s followers were very much afraid, knowing that Keshav Chandra could defeat anybody if it was a question of rationality. He had proved his mettle hundreds of times, all over India. He had defeated great scholars without much effort. Now, how was poor Ramakrishna going to stand up before him?Everybody among the followers was nervous, but Ramakrishna was not.
He was again and again asking, Keshava has not come yet? He would not use even his whole name: Keshav Chandra Sen. He would say simply, Keshava has not come yet?
Finally Keshav Chandra arrived with his great following. Ramakrishna hugged him. Keshav Chandra was not prepared for that. He had come to fight, and he made it clear to Ramakrishna, These things won’t help. I have come to discuss each and every point of your philosophy. Don’t try to create a friendship. I have come as an enemy: either you defeat me and I will be your follower, or be ready to become my follower.
Ramakrishna said, That we will be doing soon – hugging has nothing to do with it! I have always loved you. Whenever I have heard about you and your ideas, that you say there is no God and I know there is God, but still I enjoy and love you. In fact your great intelligence is proof that existence is intelligent; otherwise from where does intelligence come? You are a proof to me that God is – but that we will discuss later on. What is the hurry? And there is no need for any enmity. The discussion can be in deep friendship.
And you know, I am a poor man. I don’t know any logic. I have never discussed with anybody. It is going to be a very easy job for you, so you need not be so tense! I have prepared some sweet for you; first take the sweet. I have prepared it with much love. And then you can start your so-called discussion.
Keshav Chandra was finding it a little difficult. The man was strange; he offered him a sweet, he hugged him. He had already destroyed the animosity, the aggressiveness – in a very subtle way, without saying a word. And strangest of all, he says that my presence – that is, Keshav Chandra’s presence – is enough proof of God, there is no need of other proof. Without God how is such intelligence possible? The world would be dead. [Tweet theme=”tweet-box-shadow”]The world is intelligent, and God is nothing but the intelligence of existence.[/Tweet]
After taking his sweet, Ramakrishna said, Now you start your game! And Keshav Chandra was arguing against whatever he had found in Ramakrishnas small books – his followers had collected his sayings and stories, anecdotes from his life.
And Ramakrishna would enjoy it, and would say to his followers, Look how beautifully he has criticized it! And many times he would stand up and hug him and say, You are a genius! Your criticism is perfect.
Keshav Chandra said, I have not come here to get your approval; I have come to argue. Ramakrishna said, I don’t see there is any question of argument. You are the proof. I don’t need to give any other proof; I can take you to the whole world as a proof that God exists – Keshav Chandra is the proof!
Keshav Chandra had never come across such a man, and what he was saying had immense significance; it was penetrating Keshav Chandra’s heart. And the presence of the man, and the way he behaved, his lovingness. Something happened to Keshav Chandra that his followers could not believe
By the end of the discussion, Ramakrishna said, You tell me who is defeated and who is victorious, and I will follow it. If you are victorious, I will become your follower. But I don’t know the ways of discussion and I don’t know the judgment.
You judge; you are efficient enough to make the judgment. You can say to me, You are defeated, and I am defeated.
Keshav Chandra’s followers were shocked to see that Keshav Chandra fell at the feet of Ramakrishna. They could not believe their eyes! When they had gone, everybody was asking, Keshav Chandra, what happened to you?
He said, I don’t know. One thing is certain, that that man has experienced something about which I have only been talking. I can talk efficiently, but he has it; he radiates it.
I have that much intelligence at least to see the aura of the man, to feel the radiance of his love, to see his simplicity, sincerity; to see his trust, that he says to me that, You decide, and if I am defeated.. And he has not argued at all. How can you defeat a person who has not argued at all?
On the contrary, he was appreciating my criticism and he was telling his disciples, Listen, this is the way a thing should be criticized.And as I was sitting by his side, slowly, slowly something melted in me – the antagonism, the aggressiveness. This is the first time this has happened with anybody. People think he is mad, but if he is mad, then I would like also to be mad. He is far superior to our so-called sanity.
Secrets of Yoga #Chapter1
* Osho on Ramakrishna Paramahamsa’s food obsession*
It is said about Ramakrishna that he was much too interested in food, in fact obsessed. That is very unlikely. Even his wife, Sharda, used to feel very embarrassed; because he was such a great saint, with only one flaw – and the flaw was that he was much too interested in food.
He was so interested that while he was giving satsang to his disciples, just in the middle he will say;Wait, I am coming, and he will go to look in the kitchen, what is being cooked.
He will just go there and ask,What is being prepared today? and then will come back and start his satsang again.
His closest disciples became worried. They said, This doesn’t look good, Paramahansa. And everything is so perfectly beautiful – never has there walked such a beautiful and perfect man – but this small thing, why can’t you drop it?He would laugh and would not say anything.
One day his wife Sharda insisted too much. He said, Okay, if you insist, I will tell. My prarabdha is finished; and I am just clinging with this food. If I drop that I am gone.
The wife could not believe this. It is very difficult for wives to believe in their own husbands – even if the husband is a Paramahansa it makes no difference.
The wife must have thought that he is befooling, or he is trying to rationalize. Seeing that, Ramakrishna said, Look, I can see that you are not trusting me, but you will know. The day I am going to die, just three days before that day, three days before my death, I will not look at food.
You will bring my thali in, and I will start looking in another direction; then you can know that only three days more am I to be here.That too was not believed; they forgot about it.
Then, just three days before Ramakrishna died, he was resting, Sharda brought his thali, his food: he turned over, started looking to the other side. Suddenly the wife realized, remembered. The thali fell from her hands and she started crying. Ramakrishna said,Don’t cry now. Now my work is finished – I need not cling. And after exactly three days he died.
God is Dead, Now Zen is the Only Living Truth
* Osho on Ramakrishna Paramahamsa’s debate with Keshav Chandra*
I have told you the story of Ramakrishna and Keshav Chandra Sen. Keshav Chandra was one of the most intelligent people of his time. He founded a religion just on his intellectual philosophy, brahmasamaj, the society for God. And he had hundreds and thousands of intelligent people, a very intelligent group, as his followers. And he was puzzled that this uneducated Ramakrishna, who had not even completed the primary school – in India the primary school, the lowest school, takes four years; he had done only half…. Why were thousands of people going to this idiot?
That was in Keshav Chandra Sen’s mind. Finally he decided he had to go and defeat this man, because he could not think that the man could not be defeated by argument. That was impossible for him to imagine. This idiot from a small village is collecting thousands of people every day! From far and wide people are coming to see him, and to touch his feet!
Keshav Chandra with his followers informed Ramakrishna: ”I am coming on such and such a day to challenge you on every point in which you believe. Be ready!” Ramakrishna’s followers were very much afraid.
They knew Keshav Chandra was a great logician; poor Ramakrishna would not be able to answer anything. But Ramakrishna was very joyful, he danced. He said, ”I have been waiting all this time. When Keshav Chandra comes that will be a great day of joy!”
His disciples said, ”What are you saying? That will be a day of great sadness, because you cannot argue with him.”
Ramakrishna said, ”Wait. Who is going to argue with him? I don’t need to argue. Let him come.” But his disciples were shaky, very shaky, very much afraid that their master was going to be defeated, completely crushed. They knew Keshav Chandra. In that century there was no parallel to Keshav Chandra’s intelligence in this country.
And Keshav Chandra came with one hundred of his topmost disciples to see the argument, the debate, the challenge. Ramakrishna was standing on the road to receive him, far away from the temple where he used to live. And he hugged Keshav Chandra. And Keshav Chandra felt a little embarrassed, and that embarrassment went on growing.
Ramakrishna took his hand in his hand and took him inside. He said, ”I have been waiting and waiting for years. Why did you not come before?”
Keshav Chandra said, ”He seems to be a strange man, seems not to be afraid at all. Do you understand? I have come here for a discussion!”
Ramakrishna said, ”Of course.”
So they sat near the temple by the side of the Ganges, a beautiful place, under a tree.
And Ramakrishna said, ”Start.”
So Keshav Chandra asked him, ”What do you say about God?”
Ramakrishna said, ”Have I to say anything about God? Can’t you see God in my eyes?”
Keshav Chandra looked a little puzzled – ”What kind of argument is this?”
And Ramakrishna said, ”Can’t you feel God in my hand? Come closer, boy.”
And Keshav Chandra said, ”What kind of argument…?” He had been in many debates, he had defeated many great scholars, and this villager… In Hindi the word for idiot is gamar, but it actually means the villager. gaon means village, and gamar means from the village. But gamar is used as stupid, retarded, idiot.
Ramakrishna said, ”If you can understand the language of my eyes, if you can understand the energy of my hand, you are proof enough that existence is intelligent. Where have you got your intelligence from?”
This was a grand argument. He was saying, ”If you have got this great intelligence – and I know you are a highly intelligent person; I have always loved you – tell me from where it comes? If existence is without intelligence you cannot get it. From where? You are the proof that existence is intelligent, and that is what I mean by God. To me God is not somebody sitting on a cloud. To me God simply means existence is not unintelligent. It is an intelligent universe; we belong and we are needed. It rejoices in our rejoicings, it celebrates in our celebrations, it dances with our dance. Have you seen my dance?” – and he started dancing.
Keshav Chandra said, ”What to do!” But he danced so beautifully. He was a good dancer, because he used to dance in the temple sometimes from morning till evening – no coffee break! He would dance and dance till he would fall on the ground.
So he started dancing with such joy and such grace that suddenly there was a transformation in Keshav Chandra. He forgot all his logic, he saw the beauty of this man, he saw the splendor of this man, he saw a joy which he had never felt.
All that intellect, all those arguments were just superficial, inside there was utter emptiness. This man was so overflowing.
He touched the feet of Ramakrishna and said, ”Forgive me. I was absolutely wrong about you. I know nothing, and I have been just philosophizing. You know everything, and you are not saying a single word.”
Ramakrishna said, ”I will forgive you only on one condition.”
Keshav Chandra said, ”Any condition from your side. I am ready.”
Ramakrishna said, ”The condition is that once in a while you have to come to discuss with me, to debate with me, to challenge me.”
This is the way of a mystic; and Keshav Chandra was completely finished. He became a totally different man; he started to come every day. Soon his disciples deserted him: ”He has gone mad. That madman infected him so much. There was only one madman, now there are two. He is even dancing with him.”
But Keshav Chandra, who had been a sad man, grudging, complaining about everything, because he was living in a negative space, suddenly blossomed, flowers came to his being, a new fragrance. He forgot all logic. This man helped him have a taste of something that is beyond mind.
Beyond Psychology #Chapter 35
* Osho on Ramakrishna Paramahamsa’s madness and Marriage incident*
It was very difficult to take Ramakrishna from one place to another place, because anywhere on the road, in the middle of the road….
And Calcutta is a very overpopulated city, with more than ten million people in one city. The traffic is the worst in the world. It is bound to be because thousands of people are walking; there are all kinds of vehicles – cars, trams, buses.
He would start dancing in the middle of the road because something reminded him of God. And anything could remind him of God – a beautiful child, and he would start dancing and singing. His followers would feel very embarrassed – they had to protect him from all sides – that in this traffic.. The police were bound to come, and that man was creating a traffic jam.
But outside India he would have been in a mad asylum, because in the West madness is madness; there are not two categories.
In India he became almost a divine being, a god, because people realized, slowly, slowly, that he looks irrational, but there is something divine in his irrationality.
He had been doing things from his very childhood. His family was worried – what is going to happen to this child?
People suggested – as it is customary in India and in other countries too – that it will be good to marry him so he will forget all about God and all about meditation and will become engaged in worldly affairs. But they thought that he would refuse – and that would have been the ordinary expectation. But he was a madman; he does not follow your expectations.
When his father asked, fearing that he is going to say no, Ramakrishna said with great joy, Yes! But where is the girl?
They said, This boy is mad! This is not the right way. He is so ready immediately! And he is asking, Where is the girl? To whom am I going to be married? Do it soon!
Just in a nearby village, another village, he was taken on a particular day to see the girl. In India this is the way: the girl will come with some sweets to put on your plate, and that’s the only moment you can see her – just for a moment – and decide.
When he was going to see his future wife, his mother had given him three rupees, just in case he needs them. When the girl came with the sweets, he looked at the girl, took out his three rupees and put them at her feet, touched her feet and said, Mother, you are the right girl. I am going to marry you.
His father said, You idiot, you don’t understand that nobody calls his wife mother.Everybody knew that he was a little eccentric, first putting those three rupees at the feet of the girl – everybody was shocked. And then touching her feet and telling the girl then and there, Mother, you are really beautiful. I am going to marry you, it is settled.
Just by a very strange coincidence the whole family of the girl wanted to deny this marriage, because they said, This boy is mad, and if he is starting this way what will happen in their married life nobody knows.
But the girl insisted that if she will marry anybody, she will marry this man.He was a beautiful man. So the family had to decide for the marriage. The marriage happened; they lived together their whole life. Ramakrishna continued to call her mother. There was never any wife-husband relationship between them. On the contrary..
Beyond Psychology #Chapter 35
* Osho on Ramakrishna Paramahamsa’s madness*
In Bengal they worship the mother goddess, Kali. So in those days when they worshipped the mother goddess all over Bengal and other places also, wherever Bengalis are in India – they are the only people left in India who still conceive of God as a mother..
In those days, every year Ramakrishna would put Sharda, his wife, naked on a throne and worship her – just as naked as the statue of the mother goddess is in the temples.
He would not go to the temple; he would say, When I have a living mother with me, why should I go and worship a stone statue?
Anybody will say this is madness, sheer madness. But in so many ways his madness cannot be categorized with that of other mad people. His madness is beyond mind, not below mind.
Each of his statements is of tremendous importance, simple but full of meaning. Just like a villager, he tells small stories. But those stories are so beautiful that you can get much more meaning out of them than out of a whole scripture.
And his life.if you watch carefully, you will find that he is not an ordinary man; he is superhuman.
One day Ramakrishna and his followers are passing the Ganges in a boat and suddenly in the middle he starts crying, Don’t beat me! I have not done anything wrong. Why are you beating me?And tears started flowing.
His people said, Nobody is beating you – what are you doing?Even his own followers once in a while suspected that he was insane, because they were only followers.
Nobody was beating him, and he was crying. And they could see from his face that he was being whipped very badly. And he said:
You don’t believe me? Just look at my back. They removed his clothes and they could not believe it: there were so many lines, blood oozing; he had been whipped badly. They could not believe.what to make of it? This man is mad and he is making his followers mad.
When they reached the other shore, they found a man who had been beaten, and there was a crowd. They looked at his back and they were surprised: the marks of the beating were exactly the same on both Ramakrishna’s and this man’s back.
Such oneness of feeling, that when somebody else is being beaten – innocently, he has not done anything – Ramakrishna becomes part of that person, they become one.
This is not madness, this is a tremendous experience, a man of Himalayan heights.. And although he was not a preacher, not a scholar, in everything that he says you can find the insight of the greatest men who have walked on the earth.
Of course his way is that of a villager..
One man came to Ramakrishna and said, I am going to Varanasi to take a dip in the Ganges to get rid of my sins- that’s Hindus belief.
Ramakrishna said, Very good idea, you can go. But do you know that on the bank of the Ganges there are big, huge trees?
The man said, Yes, I know.
He said, When you take a dip in the Ganges your sins will leave you, but they will sit on the trees. How long can you remain under the water? You will have to come out, you will have to come home. And when you are dressed and ready to go home, those sins jump back on you. So it is futile, but it is up to you.
He will not say that this is stupid – that the Ganges cannot take your sins away. But he says it in his own way, without hurting the man’s feelings. And he has said it in a beautiful way:You can go. The Ganges will do its work, it will purify you – but how long you will remain in the Ganges? Sooner or later you will have to come out. And what do you think? Those trees are standing there, they are the resting places for the sins.And sometimes it happens that even other people’s sins jump upon you. Seeing a better man, they change. So I will not suggest it. Find some other way.
This is dangerous – so many people are taking a bath in the Ganges, and all their sins are on the trees; they get mixed up. And then it is up to them to choose. It is better to have your own sins. At least you are acquainted with them. You may come back with some new sins, more dangerous.
But I will not prevent you; I never prevent anybody. You can go and try, but I have told you the whole story. Nobody talks about the trees because the priests who are sitting on the banks of the Ganges, their whole business will flop if people come to know about the trees and the real secret.
And sins, nobody can see, they are invisible; so they sit on the trees and wait.
This man, in India, became paramahansa. Paramahansa means literally the greatest swan.because in Indian mythology it is thought that the swan eats only pearls; that is his food. And the swan is the only bird in existence that, if you put milk mixed with water before him, will drink the milk and leave the water behind. He has the capacity to discriminate between water and milk.
Paramahansa means the greatest swan who has become capable of discriminating between darkness and light, between right and wrong. It is not an effort on his part; it has become simply his nature.
Beyond Psychology #Chapter 35
* Osho on Ramakrishna Paramahamsa’s throat cancer*
…With Sigmund Freud, the unconscious mind became established. With Jung, the collective unconscious mind became established. Now somebody is needed to establish the cosmic unconscious mind.
A tremendous field is available for any genius to establish it. Because in the Eastern psychology all these three are accepted, have been accepted for thousands of years.This is below the conscious mind. Above the conscious mind are also three: the superconscious, the collective superconscious, and the cosmic superconscious.
On those, no work has been even started.
The second category of madmen that I am talking about is somewhere in these three categories; certainly in the superconscious but perhaps if it grows deeper, it may become collective superconscious.
And in a man like Ramakrishna it is cosmic superconscious.
When he was dying he had a cancer of the throat, and it became impossible for him to eat anything or drink anything. His followers were telling him again and again, You just close your eyes and tell the existence – it will listen to you. He would close his eyes, but would forget all about it.
After a while, when he would open his eyes.the disciples were waiting; they would say, What happened?He said,Nothing, because when I close my eyes everything becomes silent. What are you expecting to happen?
They said, We had asked you to ask existence.Finally they forced his wife, Sharda: Perhaps only you can persuade him.
Unwillingly, reluctantly, she asked him. With tears in her eyes she said, I don’t want to tell you to do anything because that is interfering, and my whole life I have never said a single word to interfere. You are far above; my hands cannot reach. But because these people are so deeply in anguish, I have agreed to say to you, just once: Close your eyes and ask existence, What are you doing to me? Remove this cancer from my throat.
He said, Because you have never asked anything – every wife is asking everything, any day, every day; for your whole life you have never asked anything – and this is maybe my last day, or last days, I will fulfill it.He closed his eyes, opened his eyes and said:
Sharda, I asked. And I heard a voice saying to me, Ramakrishna, can’t you drink with other people’s throats? Can’t you eat with other people’s throats? Do you necessarily need your own? Are you still attached to your own body?